condition "from is in addressbook group"

Upvote for adding this to an upcoming version. In Eudora, I used to have a simple filter that said if someone was in my "Business" address book entry, filter it into one folder, if not, filter it into another. I had about 20 of these. This way I could just add people to my address book under the appropriate heading and everything got filtered. It's an important function. Having to set up IMAP mailboxes etc. is not a good solution, too complicated.

I think I might have a better idea as to how to implement support for Address Book groups. I could introduce a virtual header, for example, named ##address-book-group (displayed as Address Book Group in the GUI). This would be a dynamically computed header where MailMate looks in the Address Book for any groups with the from address of the given message (maybe variations are needed for to/cc as well).

This could make it relatively simple to make a smart mailbox which automatically takes a group of messages and partitions them into submailboxes based on Address Book groups.

I'll give this some more thought and maybe it'll bring the feature a bit closer than the current bluesky state.

This would be great to have to more easily simulate Apple mail VIP feature (for now I'm using a manual condition list)

This did get my vote, but I retract that - the workarounds suggested do a good enough job :-)

Any news on this?

Sorry, I haven't worked on it yet. My described approach to the problem is still how I would like it to work though.

Here you tell us we have to use Smart Mailboxes to do it, yet whenever MailMate becomes too slow to use, you tell us it's because we used Smart Mailboxes.

@Mike K: I get your point, but I don't think that's quite fair. When/if MailMate is slow then it's most likely to be because you have a very large message store. If not then I'm certainly willing to look into it. Also, smart mailboxes are extremely flexible, but this also means that it's possible to create things which are very slow to compute. In some cases, blaming MailMate for this would be like blaming a programming language after implementing a very slow algorithm.

If MailMate was anything like a programming language, we users would have the power to do what we needed without having to complain to you here.

@Mike K: I'm not really sure if that was a serious remark, but just in case here's my reply. Your computer is programmable and you can create anything you like including a complete MailMate replacement. I don't think that stops a lot of people from complaining about any kind of software problem. Note that I did not claim that MailMate was anything like a programming language. My point was that the smart mailboxes in MailMate are very flexible, but this comes at the risk of being able to create things which are computationally hard (both in theory and in practice). This is similar to the flexibility of a programming language. The programming language designer cannot prevent the programmer from creating inefficient programs without severely limiting the capabilities of the language.

Note that my replies here are just general remarks, because you started out with a generalization of how I reply to smart mailbox related issues. You indicated that I cannot say “use a smart mailbox” because I also have stated that some smart mailboxes can be too slow to use. This is what meant by it not being “quite fair”.

I hope this clears up any misunderstandings.

Yeah, I used this in Eudora, too. Using tags was how I was planning to work around it also, but I'd rather not have to build the same structure in two different places. Authoritative data should exist in just one place, you know? Then you don't have to worry about keeping things in sync.

I would like to upvote this, too, this would be WAY better than VIP inbox in Apple mail, but I found this when looking for a replacement for VIP smart mailboxes. In the meantime, I exported my VIP smart mailbox from apple, and was not able to import it to any non-connect imap folder, though I tried, hoping that I could use that folder to reference all VIP's. If I could get it to work I could easily add people in (not easy to get out of) that folder if I want to change my VIP's manually. Won't synchronize with people marked vip on my phone, though, and via iCloud, then marked vip in contacts in apple address book, though. That's what I'd wish for via the methods mused above.

I'm trying to get this to work, but I seem to be missing something

Left side of my condition: From >> Contact >> Group
Operator: is
Right side of my condition: Business

Does not find any emails from my contacts in the Business group.

Changing operator to (is not) finds all emails.
Changing right side to "Business" does not find any emails from my contacts in the Business group.

contains Business does not find any emails from my contacts in the Business group.

I have 526 contacts in my Business group.

Searching for contacts in an Address Book group does not seem to work for me.

Is there a way to search for text within the Note field of a contact, such as contains ?

@Adam: The Business group name does show up as an option in the right hand side if you open the popup of the condition?

(It's been a while since I implemented this, but I do believe it should work although the implementation is a bit crude.)

Which revision of MailMate are you using (see the About window)?

I'm using Version 1.14 (5937).

Was that also an implicit yes to my first question?

You can try the latest cutting edge release to see if it behaves differently with respect to the Business group: r5971. It might have other issues though.

Basic lists show up, but no Contacts' Smart List.

Looking at my code, smart lists should work (although I'm calling them smart groups -- maybe an earlier macOS released named them like that). I recall this was very tricky, because it's not really supported by the Contacts framework while the older AddressBook framework did support it. I consider this an Apple bug, but I guess it'll never be fixed.

Nevertheless, you can get debug output as follows.

• Open a Terminal window (Applications/Utilities).
• Enable debug output like this: defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmDebugContactsGroups -bool YES
• Launch MailMate like this: /Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/MacOS/MailMate
• Do something involving groups and review the output.

Maybe it'll give some kind of indication of what goes wrong. You can send output to me using “Help > Send Feedback” if needed.